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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://hopetoprosper.com/time-for-a-flat-rate-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,

I&#039;m pretty sure you calculated it wrong.  The way tax tables work is they charge progressively, so you don&#039;t get killed if you slip into a higher bracket.  I explained it in more detail in my response to Ryan&#039;s comment.  Plus, as I said, the rates I recommended were off of the top of my head.  I assume someone would have to do a lot more research than me, to implement a fair rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure you calculated it wrong.  The way tax tables work is they charge progressively, so you don&#8217;t get killed if you slip into a higher bracket.  I explained it in more detail in my response to Ryan&#8217;s comment.  Plus, as I said, the rates I recommended were off of the top of my head.  I assume someone would have to do a lot more research than me, to implement a fair rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://hopetoprosper.com/time-for-a-flat-rate-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

I was thinking the tax tables should start above the poverty level (around $22K  for a family of four) and exclude everyone below that point.  And, people would pay the flat rate on anything above the poverty rate.  So, someone making $32K with a family of four would pay $1,000 in taxes (10% of $10,000), while the same person making $72K would pay $5,000 in taxes (10% of $50K).  The same family of four with an income of $150K would pay $14,800 in taxes (10% of $78K, plus 15% of $50K).  This would be very progressive, while at the same time, ensuring everyone over the poverty level pays some income taxes.

I agree there would definitely have to be a more exhaustive study of the demographics.  And, the tax rates could probably be even lower or more progressive.  But, the most important thing is to spread the tax burden more evenly.  To have 47% of household and most corporations pay zero taxes is not fair to the 53% that have to cover the cost of government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>I was thinking the tax tables should start above the poverty level (around $22K  for a family of four) and exclude everyone below that point.  And, people would pay the flat rate on anything above the poverty rate.  So, someone making $32K with a family of four would pay $1,000 in taxes (10% of $10,000), while the same person making $72K would pay $5,000 in taxes (10% of $50K).  The same family of four with an income of $150K would pay $14,800 in taxes (10% of $78K, plus 15% of $50K).  This would be very progressive, while at the same time, ensuring everyone over the poverty level pays some income taxes.</p>
<p>I agree there would definitely have to be a more exhaustive study of the demographics.  And, the tax rates could probably be even lower or more progressive.  But, the most important thing is to spread the tax burden more evenly.  To have 47% of household and most corporations pay zero taxes is not fair to the 53% that have to cover the cost of government.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://hopetoprosper.com/time-for-a-flat-rate-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m for a flat tax in theory, but again, it depends on implementation. If done, then I think there should be an income credit everyone for income at or below the federal poverty level, then start taxes from there(otherwise those at the lowest income levels are disproportionately taxed).

I don&#039;t think we will see anything like this soon, however. Why would 47% of the population support what would effectively be a tax increase when they aren&#039;t currently paying anything?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m for a flat tax in theory, but again, it depends on implementation. If done, then I think there should be an income credit everyone for income at or below the federal poverty level, then start taxes from there(otherwise those at the lowest income levels are disproportionately taxed).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we will see anything like this soon, however. Why would 47% of the population support what would effectively be a tax increase when they aren&#8217;t currently paying anything?<br />
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		<title>By: Black Coffee: My Favorite Blogs, Money News &#38; Opinions #42 (The Boyz In the Hood Edition)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Coffee: My Favorite Blogs, Money News &#38; Opinions #42 (The Boyz In the Hood Edition)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fine wines, of course).  But I&#8217;m not so sure I am down with Bret&#8217;s suggestion that the US should go to a flat tax.  Although I believe it would be better for the country in terms of revenue generation, it would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fine wines, of course).  But I&#8217;m not so sure I am down with Bret&#8217;s suggestion that the US should go to a flat tax.  Although I believe it would be better for the country in terms of revenue generation, it would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daddy Paul</title>
		<link>http://hopetoprosper.com/time-for-a-flat-rate-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1312</link>
		<dc:creator>Daddy Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for a flat tax. Just give everyone a handsome deduction per dependent and tax income at a flat rate. My big objection is the tax code is so complex an audit is a nightmare. Since audits are arbitrary the tax code is in effect arbitrary. Threat of an audit can become a political weapon. When politicians begin using audits against their opponents successfully our democracy is history.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for a flat tax. Just give everyone a handsome deduction per dependent and tax income at a flat rate. My big objection is the tax code is so complex an audit is a nightmare. Since audits are arbitrary the tax code is in effect arbitrary. Threat of an audit can become a political weapon. When politicians begin using audits against their opponents successfully our democracy is history.<br />
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, that schedule would end up costing me about $5000 extra per year based on my payments this year!

How would it affect you, Bret?

Best,

Len
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, that schedule would end up costing me about $5000 extra per year based on my payments this year!</p>
<p>How would it affect you, Bret?</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Len<br />
Len Penzo dot Com<br />
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		<title>By: Money Hackers Network Carnival #111 - Don't Hassel the Hoff Edition</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money Hackers Network Carnival #111 - Don't Hassel the Hoff Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Time for a Flat-Rate Income Tax @Hope to Prosper [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://hopetoprosper.com/time-for-a-flat-rate-income-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1273</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the flat rate I am advocating would only be for Federal Income Tax.  Payroll taxes would stay the same.  If the flat-rate was adopted, I assume states like California would mirror the changes, but with lower rates.  That&#039;s what they do now.

According to Steve Forbes (when he was running for President), if filers all paid a flat-rate of only 15%, we would collect a lot more taxes than we do with the current system.  And since 47% of household may not even pay Federal Income Tax for 2009, I think he is probably right.

My recommendation would be to have rates similar to:

10% for above poverty to $100%
15% for $100K to $200K
20% for above $200K

If we had brackets this low, we could ditch all of the credits and deductions.  I think people would be a lot happier than paying the current 15-35% and working through a bunch of receipts.

As for shrinking the size of the Government, that is the subject of a whole new post.  I could never fit that in the comment box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the flat rate I am advocating would only be for Federal Income Tax.  Payroll taxes would stay the same.  If the flat-rate was adopted, I assume states like California would mirror the changes, but with lower rates.  That&#8217;s what they do now.</p>
<p>According to Steve Forbes (when he was running for President), if filers all paid a flat-rate of only 15%, we would collect a lot more taxes than we do with the current system.  And since 47% of household may not even pay Federal Income Tax for 2009, I think he is probably right.</p>
<p>My recommendation would be to have rates similar to:</p>
<p>10% for above poverty to $100%<br />
15% for $100K to $200K<br />
20% for above $200K</p>
<p>If we had brackets this low, we could ditch all of the credits and deductions.  I think people would be a lot happier than paying the current 15-35% and working through a bunch of receipts.</p>
<p>As for shrinking the size of the Government, that is the subject of a whole new post.  I could never fit that in the comment box.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Penzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Len Penzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m torn on this one, Bret.  

In theory, I&#039;m all for it - but for me that depends on how it&#039;s implemented.  

For example:

When you call for a flat tax, does that also cover the payroll tax?  

If not, what will be my flat tax rate?  

Will the flat tax come with a corresponding cut in the size of government?  If we can agree to cut government (including entire cabinet position departments), as well as a lot of other wasteful government programs, then I suspect our flat tax rate can be astoundingly low.  

Our economy would certainly be much better off!

All the best,

Len
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m torn on this one, Bret.  </p>
<p>In theory, I&#8217;m all for it &#8211; but for me that depends on how it&#8217;s implemented.  </p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>When you call for a flat tax, does that also cover the payroll tax?  </p>
<p>If not, what will be my flat tax rate?  </p>
<p>Will the flat tax come with a corresponding cut in the size of government?  If we can agree to cut government (including entire cabinet position departments), as well as a lot of other wasteful government programs, then I suspect our flat tax rate can be astoundingly low.  </p>
<p>Our economy would certainly be much better off!</p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Len<br />
Len Penzo dot Com</p>
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